The Conversations with Collectors series began in 1996 to highlight contemporary collectors who have contributed to the permanent collection or special exhibitions at the National Gallery of Art. In addition, The Collecting of African American Art series focuses on distinguished private collections of African American art in the United States.

Additional lecture program recordings in this series will be made available as podcasts in the coming months.

The Collecting of African American Art

The Collecting of African American Art VIII: Elliot Perry and Darrell Walker in conversation with Michael Harris
Collectors of African American art and art of the African diaspora and former National Basketball Association players Elliot Perry and Darrell Walker, in conversation with Michael D. Harris, associate professor of art history and African American studies, Emory University
In this podcast recorded on February 26, 2012, former National Basketball Association players Elliot Perry and Darrell Walker discuss their collection of African American art and art of the African diaspora with Professor Michael D. Harris. Perry and Walker began to collect art during the extensive travels of their professional sports careers, and both have amassed important collections of modern and contemporary art that have been exhibited throughout the country. The collectors have dedicated themselves to educational and philanthropic causes to preserve and showcase African American culture. Professor Harris is an artist, curator, and scholar of contemporary African and African American art and has contributed to the exhibition catalogue Images of America: African American Voices: Selections from the Collection of Mr. and Mrs. Darrell Walker.

The Collecting of African American Art VII: David C. Driskell in Conversation with Ruth Fine
David C. Driskell, artist, collector, and emeritus professor of art history, University of Maryland at College Park; in conversation with Ruth Fine, consulting curator of special projects in modern art, National Gallery of Art
Highly respected as an artist, art historian, curator, and teacher, David C. Driskell's life as a collector is less well known. In this podcast recorded on February 12, 2012, Ruth Fine and David C. Driskell discuss publicly for the first time the expansive range of his art acquisitions, which he started to collect during his years as an art student at Howard University in Washington, DC. Among the treasures in Driskell's collection are old master and modern European prints, antique rugs, African sculpture, and works by African American masters from the 19th century through the present.

The Collecting of African American Art VI: The Art of Collecting
Texas-based collectors Harmon and Harriet Kelley and Deborah Willis, professor, Tisch School of the Arts, New York University
Since 1987 the Kelleys have amassed an art collection that represents a kaleidoscopic view of African-American life and cultural history from the 19th to 21st centuries. In this Notable Lectures podcast, recorded on February 22, 2009, at the National Gallery of Art, Willis speaks to the Kelleys about their passion and determination to build a collection that advances and preserves the legacy of African-American art.

The Collecting of African American Art V: Collecting as a Way of Life
Ruth Fine, curator of special projects in modern art, National Gallery of Art, and Juliet Bethea, collector, Washington, DC
Private collections of art by African Americans have received considerable public exposure in recent years through both exhibitions and educational programs. In this Notable Lectures podcast, recorded on February 15, 2009, Fine speaks to collector Bethea about her passion for learning and what inspired her to begin collecting nearly 40 years ago.

The Collecting of African American Art IV: A Historical Overview
Jacqueline Francis, independent scholar
In this podcast recorded on February 8, 2009, at the National Gallery of Art, Jacqueline Francis traces the origins of collecting African American art in the United States and the role of academic institutions, galleries, and specialized museums in supporting artists. Francis focuses on six distinguished private collections belonging to Barnett-Aden; Camille O. and William H. Cosby, Jr.; Walter O. Evans; David C. Driskell; Grant Hill; and Harmon and Harriet Kelley. Francis also provides an overview of institutional collecting by museums, private corporations, and universities.

The Collecting of African American Art III: A Peculiar Destiny: The Mission of the Paul R. Jones Collection
Amalia K. Amaki, professor of art history, University of Alabama at Tuscaloosa, and Paul R. Jones, collector
In the third program of the three-part Collecting of African American Art series, Paul R. Jones discusses not only his dedication to supporting emerging African American artists but also his efforts to see that their art is better represented in public collections. Joining him is Amalia K. Amaki, editor and contributing author for A Century of African American Art: The Paul R. Jones Collection, which features the work of nearly 70 artists—most of which has been given to the University of Delaware. Their conversation, recorded on February 24, 2008, at the National Gallery of Art, reveals that Jones began collecting art while he was pursuing a career in public service—working in civil rights, housing and urban development, and the Peace Corps.

The Collecting of African American Art II: Reflections on Collecting
Andrea Barnwell Brownlee, director of Spelman College Museum of Fine Art, and Dr. Walter O. Evans, collector
In the second program of the three-part Collecting of African American Art series, retired surgeon Walter O. Evans discusses his extraordinary collection. Joining him is Andrea Barnwell Brownlee, primary author of The Walter O. Evans Collection of African American Art, a catalogue for the international loan exhibition of mid-19th- to late 20th-century work in Evans' collection. Their conversation, recorded on February 17, 2008, at the National Gallery of Art, explores how Evans began collecting African American art, his friendships with artists and writers, and his future plans for the collection.

The Collecting of African American Art I: Introduction
Alvia J. Wardlaw, associate professor, Texas Southern University and curator of modern and contemporary art, Museum of Fine Arts, Houston
For the inaugural lecture of The Collecting of African American Art series on February 10, 2008, Alvia J. Wardlaw provides an overview of the substantial history of collecting African American art. She regards the preservation of objects of cultural importance within the African American community as a holistic endeavor. Collecting was not merely about acquiring items for private holdings, but also about establishing a connection between African Americans and their African past, enabling families and communities to share and pass on traditions. Wardlaw relates the role of collectibles, including such cherished items as family photographs and Bibles, to the interest in collecting African American artworks, which arose in the 19th century. She also examines this phenomenon within the context of individual artistic careers, intellectual movements, and trends in the patronage of African American art.

The Vogel Collection Story: Postcards from Artists
Maygene Daniels, chief of Gallery Archives, National Gallery of Art, and Dorothy and Herbert Vogel, collectors
Dorothy and Herbert Vogel have amassed one of the greatest collections of minimal, conceptual, and post-minimal art in the world, acquiring works by some of the most important contemporary artists of our time. Daniels spoke with the Vogels about the 231 "artist postcards" in their collection—the personalized cards and other items that artists mailed to them, often with drawings, sketches, as well as personal messages.

Dorothy and Herbert Vogel
Dorothy and Herbert Vogel, collectors, in conversation with Ruth Fine, curator of special projects in modern art, National Gallery of Art
New York art collectors Dorothy and Herbert Vogel discuss the genesis of their extraordinary art collection with curator Ruth Fine in this podcast recorded on Sunday, November 16, 2008, at the National Gallery of Art. Over a 45-year period, the Vogels collected 4,782 works of art and stored them in their one-bedroom New York apartment. In 1991, the National Gallery of Art acquired a portion of their collection, through partial purchase and gift from the Vogels, which consists largely of minimal and conceptual art. In 2008, the Vogels and the National Gallery of Art, with assistance from the National Endowment for the Arts and the Institute of Museum and Library Services, launched a national gifts program titled The Dorothy and Herbert Vogel Collection: Fifty Works for Fifty States in 2008.The program distributed 2,500 works from the Vogels' collection throughout the nation, with 50 works going to a selected art institution in each of the 50 states.

The Vogel Collection Story:The Fifty Works for Fifty States Project, Two Years Later
Ruth Fine, curator of special projects in modern art, National Gallery of Art, Washington, and collectors Dorothy and Herbert Vogel
Dorothy and Herbert Vogel have amassed one of the greatest collections of minimal, conceptual, and post-minimal art in the world, acquiring works by some of the most important contemporary artists of our time. Curator Ruth Fine spoke with the Vogels two years after they announced The Dorothy and Herbert Vogel Collection: Fifty Works for Fifty States project, which distributed their vast collection across the country for all to enjoy. In this podcast, the Vogels relate stories from the recipient museums and their special exhibitions celebrating the gifts.